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Jericho Fraction
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Posted - 2007.04.09 16:31:00 -
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I'm starting to notice something of a pattern in the behaviour of the Amarrian nationalists - worth looking into I assure you - before the ink has even dried, the generic claims of spin and fabrication are unleashed.
...almost as if written before they've even read the thing they're objecting to
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Posted - 2007.04.10 11:20:00 -
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 Originally by: Rodj Blake
I'm reasonably sure that every time SF has had favourable efficiency ratings they've not hesitated to parade them in their war diaries.
How bizarre that whenever the statistics aren't so favourable the statistical methodology suddenly becomes open to debate.
an interesting claim, but again proven to be baseless and a desperate attempt at spin on behalf of PIE.
Sadly for you, the "efficiency rating" you're clinging to there was only conceived of and implements in the latest version of the war record software.
Software that only just went live in time for this war.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 11:26:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
That's odd.
You see, I distinctly recall you including your joint kills with the Black Rabbits during our live fire exercises in the Mito constellation, even where several Rabbit ships had done all of the work and one or two SF ships turned up at the end (after getting the call to undock from the adjacent system).
In fact, I used a very similar example to yours and the SF howls of derision were very loud indeed.
Not really, since the main difference in the situation is that the Rabbits were not publishing statistics, therefore no double accounting was to be had.
In this case, should each of the loyalists publish their figures separately, massive double or tripple accounting would occur.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 12:22:00 -
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Originally by: Rodj Blake
In many ways the source of a T2 ship is irrelevant.
Why?
Say the market value of a destroyed ship is one hundred million ISK. If the pilot is unable to make ships, then obviously he needs to go and buy a replacement. But if he makes his own ships, then he now has one less ship to sell on the market, resulting in an equal loss of income.
Not strictly true. A clever man can use it in such a way as to make more money.
Question is, are you clever?
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Posted - 2007.04.10 13:23:00 -
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Originally by: Archbishop
It's like new math and I was never a math genius.... but as best I can tell using this new mathematics system we've suffered NO losses and our efficency stands at 100% (as PIE ships are supplied to our members who don't even pay cost). Amazing!
I hereby christen this math system "Fractionometry"! Guess I need to get another math slave.
Archbishop
translation: "I have no idea what you're talking about so I'm going to try and dismiss it with a cheap gag rather than show my ignorance"
In all, I think it rather telling that PIE and friends get hung up on statistics. An example, in my opinion, of this mentality must come in the form of their presentation of their own statistics in their own war record software. It varies between none existent, none shown to the public or, and this one is the killer, only kills not losses shown to the public. Where as SF holds its statistics open for all to see and interpret as they choose. Its then entertaining that they accuse SF of spin and doctoring perception.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 16:33:00 -
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Originally by: Monsignor
Our killboard is for our own use we don't need to waive our "kill ratios" around from our zippers every week like other alliances. It works best that way as if there is a downturn we don't then need to try and spin it as you have against Vigilia Valeria by "lumping" or whatever you call it.
As for statistics the only one that really matters is the one showing enemies far more dangerous than the smut-peddling vandals of SF have for years stated they're going to eliminate PIE.... and the fact we're still around.
Anyway back to work. The terrorist Minmatar could show up at any minute!
Monsignor
Oh I do beg to differ. You quite happily wave your kills around "from your zippers" under the pretext of ôholy amarrian justiceö. Its your losses you hide like a bastard child. Hows that for spin?
I think the VV issue has been covered quite adequately so I think it time you grab for another life line in order to salvage your failing pride.
I find it hard to believe a ôsuperiorö being could have so much trouble grasping something so simple.
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Posted - 2007.04.10 16:51:00 -
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Originally by: Monsignor
Oh I almost forgot to mention. As to being "hung up" on statistics... I seem to recall the Star Fraction was the first one to post them here...
Who was hung up again?
Have a nice day lessor.
Monsignor
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. You seem to be having trouble grasping the very basics of language. But then, maybe you move in circles where some phrases are not used, so IÆll try to expand on them for you. IÆll try to use small words as you and your ilk seem to be having trouble with ôwalls of textö at the moment. Now before we go on, IÆm neither a word smith nor a ôsuperior beingö therefore put you grammar and spelling analysis away because IÆm sure youÆll be swamped.
ôHung upö is a slang for a negative obsession of some sort. Now I can hear the clamour now, settle down, settle down or thereÆll be no milk for afters. ItÆs very true that Jas mentioned the stats first, in a vastly summarised version at the end of a very long diary entry û long enough to cause complaint in your attention deficient brethren (ôbrethrenö isnÆt too long a word for you is it?). Its your ôbrethrenö that have dragged discussion those statistic out for 3 pages, nit picking and twisting, desperately seeking a way to hide the fact theyÆre being shown not only to lose ships (see comments above about PIEs public records) but to be losing them at an unprecedented rate considering their participation (or lack thereof) in combat.
So go back to your hole dog, or better still, back up your own words and stop hiding behind your slaves in AM (and I assume they must be your slaves, because I canÆt think of any other reason you would abuse them so badly).
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Posted - 2007.04.11 13:13:00 -
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Originally by: Katyayani Koriau
Lies and spurious propaganda. I don't believe the filthy anarchists managed to eliminate a single true Amarrian warship with their mix of public complaints and cowardly tactic.
Whilst I'm sure you meant that as support of your fellows, I think you actually just insulted every member of PIE, VV and AM. They've not challenged the number of ship kills or losses, only how they've been apportioned between those fighting. So, in effect, you've just called them all "fake amarrians" or something like that.
Originally by: Katyayani Koriau
Obvious of course this is more Spin-Fraction hypocracy while they try like staving children to confront the truth that is Holy Glorious Amarr Victorious!
You people keep using this word.
I do not think it means what you think it means...
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Posted - 2007.04.11 14:40:00 -
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Originally by: Katyayani Koriau
Silence anarchy dog!
talk about contradicting yourself.
You donÆt get out much do you?
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